tv The Daily Rundown MSNBC January 14, 2011 9:00am-10:00am EST
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rundown starts now. with the city of tucson and all of america at their side, the family of christina taylor green says an emotional good-bye. it's the first of six funerals for the victims of that arizona rampage. plus, doctors are calling gabby giffords' improving condition a miracle. her breathing tube could be removed as early as today. we'll bring you the latest on her recovery. and washington slowly returns back to politics. and folks may not have michael steele to kick around any more. will the republican party hand him the pink slip today, it's january 14th, 2011. i'm chuck todd, savannah has day off. and my interview with former house leader, tom delay. he weighs in. and we're going to begin in tucson. thousands turned out to say good-bye to the youngest of the
shooting victims, 9-year-old christina taylor green. green's parents and 11-year-old brother, dallas, watched in tears as her tiny coffin was brought to the front of the church. 2000 people who attended the service, hundreds more were outside. today, the funeral for judge john roll will be held at the same church. more than 100 judges from all over the country will be among those attending that service. and at noon, we'll get an update on congresswoman's giffords' recovery. doctors say she's begun agrezive physical therapy and that her breathing tube could be removed later today. and we're getting new information about aledged gunman. nbc's mike taibbi is following the investigation portion of the story and joins us now from tucson. what more, we heard about the recovery of this black bag from jared lee loughner, what else do we know about today? >> that's a fairly important part of this, chuck. a guy walking his dog yesterday found this black bag. described as a diaper bag, i'm
not sure what that is. but they've described what it is. it had some nine-millimeter ammunition in it, which is the same ammunition used in the glock shootings last saturday and it was in the black bag the same way it was described by randy loughner, jared loughner's father, who said saturday morning on the morning of the shooting, at around 8:00, he confronted his son holding a black bag just like that near the car. the kid took off, the father got in his pickup truck to chase him, but lost sight of him. by 9:30, he had hailed a cab, found his way to the safeway, where we're standing right now and at 10:11 as everyone knows, the shooting started. the black bag an important part of the physical evidence at this stage of the investigation. >> and mike, he's still not talking, jared loughner is still behind bars not saying a word, is that correct? >> yeah. according to david gonzales, a u.s. marshal from arizona, he sits his cell and for sometimes
15 minutes, will stare straight ahead, sits in his chair and he's got that smirk on his face, not saying anything to anybody. a weird situation, but maybe not surprising given the descriptions to the extent to which this individual had declined in the months prior to the shooting. >> mike taibbi with the latest on the investigation portion of that, thanks very much. and mike is standing in front of the safeway, which will apparently reopen tomorrow. decision day for the rnc. will michael steele win another term as chairman? or will he be shown the door? most folks expect him to be shown the door. the question is how quickly. nbc's domenico montenaro is live in washington's national harbor where voting gets under way in less than an hour. tell us what the day is going to be like and how long this is likely to take? >> well hey there, chuck. as you said we're down here at national harbor. the day could go on for hours. vote something probably going to begin around 12:20.
they have an event or some business for the rnc from about 10:30 to noon. then they'll take a break and begin about 12:20. we'll hear from michael steele earlier in the day. he'll give a report on the committee, as he is the chairman. and there are five candidates, including steele, who surprised the whole political world in announcing that he would run for re-election. you have priebus of wisconsin, the partyairman, who went through one of these elections in a few minutes. with the latest on that, jim nicholson. but domenico, i want to follow
up, yesterday we got news from texas, kay bailey hutchison, republican senator there is deciding not to seek re-election. some are saying this is the tea party's first victory. explain. >> maybe. you know, kind of expected maybe that kay bailey hutchison would retire. she's now the first person to announce her retirement for the 2012 cycle. you know she was no friend of the tea party. she ran against rick perry for governor. she lost that primary. so a lot of folks expected that she might be one of the people who retires. and now everybody is watching the lieutenant governor in that state to see what he does, because sort of the 800-pound gorilla in the room, to see ha other republicans will do. democrats really probably don't have as good a shot as they hoped with this, no matter what their spin is coming out of it, chuck. >> certainly not in a presidential year, live at where the rnc is going to pick their new chairman today, or we assume it's a new chairman, thanks very much. and by the way, house republicans are in baltimore,
where they're going to hear from a couple of presidential candidates, they're doing their retreat and both healey barber and newt gingrich will be addressing different portions of that retreat later today. moving on, in australia, towns and suburbs surrounding brisbane are submerged in contaminated floodwaters, the city is described as with a war zone. ann williams is in brisbane with the latest. >> good morning, chuck. across brisbane, the floodwaters are receding and the big clean-up is getting under way. it's an enormous task. many people returning to devastated homes with few possessions fit for salvage. everything is covered in stinking mud. but it's easy to clean while the mud is still wet. we've seen an incredible community spirit here. everybody helping out. for one 71-year-old woman, it was the second time her home has been inundated. >> it's just obliterated everything in the house. >> having lived through the 1974 flood. another man we spoke to had only
moved in three days ago. the luck of the irish, he called it. >> we put carpets down last thursday and friday. >> the brisbane floods affected at least 30,000 homes across 30 low-lying suburbs. and follow as month and a half of flooding across queensland. the worst natural disaster in the state's history is how the state premiers described it. further in, authorities are stepping up their search for dozens still missing with the death toll expected to rise. the cost of cleaning up and rebuilding is estimated at $5 billion. chuck? >> all right, ian williams for us in australia. what a mess. all right. let's head to wall street, quick preview of this friday, opening bell, just 20 minutes away. of course, becky quick is on the scene at cnbc's world headquarters, what do we expect today? is it jp morgan, their big day? >> the big bank out with earnings earlier this morning. they were very strong numbers, the bank came in with numbers that quite a bit better than the
street had been expecting. the street was looking for $1, the number was quite a bit above that but then when when they started digging through the numbers, they got there by bringing down their reserves by about $2 billion. it helped out earnings, caused a littlen disappointment from investors. the stock has been bouncing back and forth. showing gains at one point, losses at another. they've been talking in a conference call, letting some things out there. they had strong numbers and good thoughts about what's been happening with the overall economy. it's a dow component, putting some pressure on the dow futures this morning. which have been indicated to open a little bit lower. down by about 30 points right now. we also heard from intel last night. another dow component out with incredibly strong earnings. the highest level of earnings this company has ever reported. but the stock market has been a little bit fickle. it's been rewarding them, but not as much as you might have expected based on how strong the numbers were. still, if you look at where we stand at the end of the week, even though the futures look like we'll open lower today, it's a big gains for the seventh week in a row. that's very good news. chuck i will point out quickly,
consumer prices were out today. yesterday we heard producer prices. the core rate here, if you strip out food and energy, was only 0.1%. that's pretty tame. but for those of you who eat or who fill up your gas tank, or who heat your home -- >> pretty much all of us, 0.5%. that's the biggest gains we've seen since june of 2009. >> becky quick with what's been a fairly busy week on wall street, although obviously people have been focused on other stories, thanks very much. up next, it was fun while it lasted, wasn't it? michael steele's reign as chairman of the republican party looks like it could end today. we'll get the lowdown, how it all works, how the vote works and what to expect from someone who has been through it all before, former rnc chairman, jim anythi nicholson. >> i've always had the greatest respect for john boehner. >> it was part of my one-on-two interview with former house majority leader, tom delay, his praise, sort of of his one-time
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there's some within the party who are still mad that i'm chairman. if you don't want me in the job, fire me. but until then, shut up. get with the program or get out of the way. >> that was rnc chairman, michael steele, a year ago, daring his critics to fire him. and in just over three hours, they actually have that opportunity. steele's audience has shrunk to the 168 voting members of the republicans rnc who choose their next chairman today.
jim nicholson served as a former press secretary under george w. bush. there are two types of chairman, ones that run when their party is not in office. and i want to put up a piece of an article you wrote about michael steele. you write, if you like in the 2010 election do battle, the rnc fired off a dud, a round that failed to explode. a functional failure. such failure has been the hallmark of the steele administration. it sounds like you don't have a dog in this fight, other than abs, anybody but steele. >> duactually i have endorsed m priebus, the state chairman from wisconsin, the best qualifications among the four people. any of them could do the job. but michael steele, a guy i've known for a long time, has been
a miserable failure at the job. and it's a very important role and we can't afford to have that happen again. >> we talk about the fundraising problems of the rnc over the last two cycles. they raised $7 million from large donors in 2010, that was a sixth of the 2006 haul. 609 major donors from '06, and '08. didn't give any money. instead opting to karl rove were running on the outside. considering that went so well, do you watch what's happening in the rnc and say, if they go through another cycle of this, then the rnc becomes irrelevant long-term? >> well the rnc could become irrelevant. that would be a real disaster to the party. but more importantly than that would be the results of the 2012 elections. if they don't come up to the bar. because they have unique capabilities to assist the presidential campaign under the law. and providing a coordinated money to the candidate, parent. and to the state parties for the
turn-out campaign. and you know, they raised virtually no money from the major donor base. and the main reason they didn't is they didn't ask for it i run into people all the time, i used to raise money from in the four years i was chairman who said, no one ever called me. i had dinner for a ceo in florida, who all four years i was chairman, gave the max, no one ever called them. they're not just going to lob it in over the transom. the money they did raise was from the small donors, the people faithful and send in the checks, $15 or $20. but that's very inefficient money. it costs about, it costs them, the steele group, about 70 cents on the dollar just to raise it. >> let's talk about today's vote. you won on, we were just talking about it, five ballots, the sixth ballot was on acclamation back in january of 1997. there was a lot of horse trading. you never led in any of the polls that my old organization did and others. you always sort of sit in third place and you were everybody's
second choice. that's a pretty important thing to be. so when you're watching the ballots today, everybody is talking about priebus, you know, the closer he gets to 60, the former, the wisconsin party chairman, on that first ballot, the more likely he's probably going to win this thing on two or three ballots. if he doesn't, this thing could be long, couldn't it? >> it could. it could go on quite a while. because it's still pretty close and there are four people in there that are really quite qualified. and -- >> there are five candidates. let's see, four are qualified, i'm not singling out mr. steele. >> i don't mince any words, michael steele did not understand the role of chairman. he thought it was about him. it's not about him. it's about the mission and it's a servant job. it's a service organization to the republican party. and the republican officials. and republican candidates. and he just hasn't merited re-election. any of those other four, i think could do the job well. >> what are some of the deals that get -- what kind of deals did you have to cut to earn
votes and sometimes it's you know, extra attention to state or something like that. just some form of it or promise somebody, i'll put so-and-so on the board to run this. is it things like that? >> you know, i didn't have to make many deals. i had to convince people that i would listen to them. and that they would play an active role in the formation of the plan going forward. when i became chairman in 1997, we just lost a blow-out election. bob dole to clinton, we were $12 million in debt. the morale was very low. and so we had to reconstitute the party and i had to convince the members that i was the person that could do that. now i was well known to the members of the committee, because i was you know, co-chairman of the party and i had been chairman of the rules committee and so forth. so i was well known to the constituency. but not to the public at large. >> how honest was your whip count? did you find many people -- >> it wasn't too good, i'll tell you. it was more optimistic than the results were in the first
ballot. >> something to watch for today. >> but i did campaign to try to be people's second choice, because there are a lot of players in this. members offing can, senators, that want committee people of their respective states to vote for a certain person. but usually that's a first-ballot commitment. i asked them if their person doesn't go anywhere, would they consider me in their second or third barlt. they really knew me, they knew who i was and my capabilities. >> jim nicholson, former rnc chairman, thanks for breaking it down, trying to lift the shroud of what is sometimes a fairly small election. >> it could go on until later today. >> still ahead, daily rundown interview with former house majority leader, tom delay, looking at potentially a three-year stint in prison. what he says about that, plus his take on civility in politics today, versus the '90s. and a programming note -- monday on msnbc the "hardball"
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today in tucson, federal judge john roll will be laid to rest. this is the second of six funerals for those killed in saturday's shooting. it comes a day after 2,000 people attended the funeral for the 9-year-old youngest victim, christina taylor green. nbc's miguel almaguer is live in tucson. and miguel, particularly having to do with christina taylor green's death, it seems that everybody is focused on how to talk to children, including the white house, about what happened. >> yeah, chuck, that's right. and christina taylor green was nine years old, born on september 11th, her father said she was born on a tragic day, and died during a tragedy here in tucson. michelle obama and barack obama, the president and first lady were at a memorial service for her on wednesday. and michelle obama released an open statement to parents
everywhere. i want to read it to you. it does read in part the questions my daughters have asked are the same ones that many of your children will have. and they don't lend themselves to easy answers. but they will provide an opportunity to teach some valuable lessons about the character of our country, about the values we hold dear, and about finding hope at a time when it seems far away. many people say who were at christina's funeral yesterday say there were simply touched by her service, her casket was wheeled underneath memorial flag that came from ground zero. so many people captivated by her story and of course about her tragic life, chuck. and as you mentioned, judge john roll will have his funeral later on today. meantime here at the hospital, congresswoman giffords is recovering. she's still in critical condition, but doctors say her recovery has simply been remarkable. meantime. one of her staffers, pam simons shots during saturday's incident plans to return to work today. so certainly some progress here
for many of the victims at the hospital, chuck. >> still an emotionally-draining day yesterday, today and it continues in tucson for everybody there. and miguel almaguer in tucson for us, thanks very much. well coming up, politics and the wake of the tucson tragedy. will washington change its tone? plus my interview with former house majority leader, tom delay, he argue s his conviction on money-laundering was more about politics than proof. but first, today's trivia question -- what member of congress is the great-great-granddaughter of charles s. taylor, a signer of the texas declaration of independence? the answer and more ahead on "the daily rundown." it rushes multiple cold fighters, plus a powerful pain reliever, wherever you need it! [ both ] ♪ oh what a relief it is!
bottom of the hour, a quick look at what's driving this friday. doctors for congresswoman, gabrielle giffords say she could reach another milestone soon, the removal of her breathing tube. allowing doctors to assess giffords' verbal ability, it could happen as soon as today. michael steele will find out if today is indeed his last day on the job as the republican national committee meets to elect a chairman. steele faces four challengers, each of whom is promising to reverse fundraising troubles the rnc had during steele's two-year tenure. and world leaders are arriving in washington to attend this afternoon's memorial service for ambassador richard holbrooke. one of the most well-known and accomplished diplomats in u.s. history, president obama will attend the service and speak there. pakistani president, zardari is coming for it and before the memorial service he will have an oval office meeting with president obama. also making headlines, the death toll is mounting in parts of brazil, devastated by massive
mudslides and flooding this week, about 500 people have died. officials say that number could rise if a new round of rain hampers rescue efforts. the pope has approved miracle attributed to pope john paul ii, clearing the way for his beautification. a french nun recovering from parkinson's disease was miraculous. vice president joe biden returned from iraq yesterday, yesterday an emotional moment as he met with u.s. forces. >> the thing that amazes me -- the thing that amazes me about you all is no matter where i go in these hospitals, i always ask the family that's there, or the soldier, sailor, marine, airman
that's there, who is the one injured, what can i do for you. >> it was a busy week for vice president biden. he was in afghanistan, pakistan and he concluded his trip to iraq and he is now back in washington. all right. as gabrielle giffords recovers in a tucson hospital, washington is slowly getting back to business. and with it, an immediate test to president obama's call for civility. we have the chief reporter of the "washington post" and roger simon is the chief political poobah at politico. >> we like the term poobah. >> or head of the water buffalos. obviously the civility discussion is what a lot of folks are talking about. and there's a lot of pessimism about it, naturally, because that's the conventional wisdom. here's what david brooks wrote this morning -- the problem is over the last 40 years or so, we've gone from a culture that reminds people of their own limitations to a culture that
reminds people to think highly of themselves. politics has become less about institutional restraint, than about giving voters whatever they want at that second. and the most important is this -- the roots of modesty have been carved away. i think one could argue that the whole idea of american exceptionalism for the past 200 years has been this view that america is self-centered. so in many ways, it isn't a new phenomenon. but the noise does seem louder or maybe politicians seem to respond more to the louder voices on the two polar opposites. frank? >> i think that we hear more from the two polar edges than from the center. and that's part of it. and people respond to what they hear most. as you know, a congressional office responds when it gets a lot of incoming email or phone calls in the old days. and those tend to be the people who are most upset. that's magnified. it's amplified today. and i think it's natural for the
whole political system to respond to that. and therefore, you have this kind of polarization that's hard to stop. even when people say it's time to lower temperatures. >> hey, roger, has this been -- how important of a moment has this been for president obama? did he lay down a marker that we will all, this will be one of those points on the timeline that all of us will look back on? or are we overhyping this a little bit? >> i think it was a heartbreakingly beautiful speech and important in that respect. and he did make it important points, always dangerous when columnists commit sociology. when i think the president gets away with it more. but underlying that speech was the statement that we are not worthy as a country right now, to solve these problems. without spinning off into more heightened rhetoric. and disagreement. and that we have to become
better in order to make our country better. better as people in order to make the country better. but addressing what david brooks said for a second, there are two powerful forces at work here. driving against what the president says. one is economic one, political. there are economic forces that drive the media, that the loudest voices get the best ratings. >> sure. >> there are political forces which drive congress, that due to gerrymandering, you're only going to lose in the primary, not the general. so you're always worried about someone farther to your left, if you're a democrat, or farther to your right, if you're a republican, getting in office. so you're, you raise your volume to drown out possible contenders. >> so, dan, the lesson is, we have it talk louder at some point. no. we're seeing the republicans take up health care next week. as contentious of an issue as
we've seen in the last two years. eric cantor spokesperson put out a statement that said we're going to do so with thoughtful consideration. a little bit of a first test for the republicans. are they going to be judged under the mainstream media, going to be judging them? >> well it is a first test. but we'll have a whole series of first tests. a state of the union will be a first test. an evening that is normally given over to sort of partisan reaction to the president's words. we'll see whether that's different this time. certainly the republicans know they're entering this health care debate in a different environment than they had anticipated. and i think that statement is an indication of it. that thoughtful consideration as opposed to hyperrhetoric. so i think everybody will be for a time on very good behavior. but, look, the differences between republicans and democrats over health care are deep and they're strong and they're significant and they're going to be aired out in this debate. whether it's done with you know,
hyperrhetoric or just strong rhetoric. >> sarah palin. she chose to release her video, her response to this before the memorial service. it's one of those things that, we've heard from some reporting, from robert draper yesterday, that not everybody in her circle thought that that was the best idea. did she hurt herself any more with, you know, i've had some people say, you know what, the senator has never been -- center has never been that comfortable with her, her supporters wanted her to go out enter and defend herself. >> i think the best thing that could be said is that if you are running for president, it's best to make your mistakes early. and this is early for her. and it's time -- >> you believe it's a mistake. >> i thought it was a terrible mistake. the timing was a terrible mistake. making her the victim was a terrible mistake. choosing the phrase "blood libel" i won't go through it all again. that was a terrible mistake. especially when compared to just hours later, to the image of a
9-year-old girl splashing through rain puddles in heaven. that's the difference between a person who understands how to become president, and a person who just wants to be president. >> but you know, people saying that sarah palin had to do something. she was getting hit hard by the left about the crosshairs. there was gabby giffords' own words from this show over a year ago, that sort of put sarah palin in the spotlight. in this story. you know, do you talk to republicans privately and sit there and go, they shake their heads and go, why does she do those things? >> let me make a couple of points. the reaction that i have gotten from sarah palin's supporters over the last 24 hours, says to me that they feel she was under such attack, that she was obligated in a sense to step in and defend herself. and they think that she had every right to do it. at the same time, some of my own reporting suggests that there
were questions about do we get in the president's space, if we do this at this time. and what are the consequences of that. one thing we know about sarah palin is she is her own top adviser. she and her husband, todd palin. and she decided to do this. there are going to be a lot of questions about it. whether it's a serious mistake, we'll wait to see. but the reaction that she was hoping for is not the reaction that she ended up getting. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. but i think one thing we've learned about sarah palin, she doesn't play by the same rules as previous folks running for president, dan balz, roger simon, thank you both from making sense of it all, from the politico, from the "washington post," as good as it gets. trivia time, what member of congress is the great-great-granddaughter of charles s. taylor, a signer of the texas declaration of independence? if you're paying attention in the news headlines, you should figure this one out, the answer is senator kay bailey hutchison,
who just announced she will not seek re-election in 2012. coming up -- that other texas power broker making headlines, remember him? former house majority leader, tom delay. what he says about facing three years in prison. plus what he says about civility. and coming up -- this sunday on "meet the press," a debate about guns in america. and the tone of political discourse. senators chuck schumer and tom coburn join david gregory. check your local listings. but first, the white house soup of the day. it's been a while since we've told you this one, it's new england clam chowder. a good, warm soup on a cold day. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc.
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on nbc. the morning show blending news headlines with news-makers, lifestyle features, was the first of its kind with original host, dave garroway, and that monkey. i mean imagine today, if we brought a monkey on this set? what you guys would say about this the state of deterioration in the media. anyway, congratulations to "the today show," happy birthday to them. number 59, i believe it is. well at the peak of his power, tom delay was one of the most feared lawmakers in washington. now he's fighting just to stay out of jail. on monday, the former house majority leader was sentenced to three years in prison for conspiracy to commit money laundering. with his lawyer by his side, i spoke to the man known once as the hammer. and i asked him to explain why he says he can't be fully remorseful of his crime. >> chuck, this is the first time in this country, we think, certainly in texas, that the criminal code has been used to enforce the election code.
i am innocent. i have broken no laws. you cannot look at what i'm being charged at, you can't look at what i've been charged with and see money laundering. there's no money laundering when there's no proceeds of criminal activity. the money that was raised was legally raised. so you can't have money laundering. i am innocent and i can't be remorseful if i'm innocent. >> you feel as if politics and the political campaigning have been criminalized. is that what you're trying to say here by saying that the criminal code was used to, to deal on the, to deal on the political front? or do you mean the whole political process is being criminalized now? >> the whole political process is being criminalized, the judicial system is being used to criminalize politics. i mean when you use money laundering to enforce campaign finance laws, that's
criminalization of politics. i've been under attack, as you well know, chuck, for 16 years. with all kinds of frivolous ethics charges. i even had a racketeering suit filed against me. and then the democrats found this rogue district attorney, ronny earle, to go through six grand juries before he could find a grand jury just sworn in to indict me. this is legislation by indictment. and it's very, very dangerous to our system. it undermines everything that i believe in. and so, yes, i'm remorseful that our system is being used to destroy people that do, you do not agree with. chuck, the prosecution spent nine days and 33 witnesses. and if you'll look at the testimony, you'll see that they did not offer one shred of evidence to prove their case. all they did was talk about corrupt politicians, flying in
private planes, raising all this money. and it was, it was surreal just sitting there watching all of this. they didn't prove their case. they just proved that politics is corrupt. >> mr. garrett, let me ask you this, how confident are you, that your client, congressman delay is never going to spend a day behind bars? >> we're going to win this appeal. the court of appeals that will see this case has already ruled in our favor. >> congressman let me ask you a couple of things just on regular politics. let me start on redistricting. this is basically a result of the battles over redistricting in the '90s in the state of texas. do you regret that you feel like you pushed the envelope too much? do you regret it at all? >> i don't regret did at all. because the people of texas were not properly represented. >> these commissions that are popping up in other states, do you think that's the future of redistricting? to take the politics out of it?
>> boy, i hope not. our founding fathers understood our system better than we do. they understood the weakness of human beings, so they put a process in place that needs to be political. because the people need to be represented by, by people that reflect their values, not by some judge or somebody drawing lines. and this system works, if you'll just make it work and keep it out of the courts. >> congressman, lets me ask you about speaker boehner. there are some that would describe your relationship in the '90s, that you guys were a little bit rivals inside the caucus. is that a fair description of your relationship at the time with the then-congressman boehner? >> oh, no, no, no. i have always had the greatest respect for john boehner. we have a little bit different style of leadership. he's got a good style of leadership. and i have a different style. never crossed ways, worked very
well together getting legislation out of his committee. i think right now watching what's happened in the first two weeks, he's going to make a great speaker. >> any advice for him? >> keep doing what you're doing. stand up for what you believe in. and no matter who attacks you or comes after you, just stand up for what you believe in. >> let me ask you a little bit about the overall political tone. look, it was the political fights of the '90s sometimes are cited by politicians today, you were one of those warriors. are things less civil today than they were ten years ago? 20 years ago? or is everybody reinventing the wheel here? >> no, it's much less civil. i got to tell you, when the judge, when my judge, this week monday, received 3500 emails of the most vile vitriol you've ever seen, not discussing whether i'm guilty or innocent
of a crime, not discussing anything else other than the hatred for tom delay, and he needs to be sent to prison, because they, they, because of what i believe, the system is changing and not for the better. >> so you think things have gotten worse. and if you get all this cleared, and succeed in your appeal, you coming back to politics? >> oh, i don't i'm 63 years old, chuck. i'm going to keep my fingers involved. i still want to help build a conservative movement and push conservative causes, but running for office, i think it's too late for that. there you have it. an unapologetic tom delay about redistricting and what he is accused of doing and what he was convicted of doing and an interesting take on civility today. coming up, your nfl playoff preview. a caught on camera confrontation that will make your skin crawl. follow us any time on
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